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CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Nov 27th 4:14 AM
OK I got a pre-Chu ordered, A 1925 model Conn tenor to replace the '31 relac Chu I traded in on a new hot-rod model tenor. This old Conn Tenor has a different style G# and palm button-type Eb key. Will it sound like my old Chu ?? it's silver-plate, totally cherry original and restored (it's got the reso-pads??)..Maybe even better than what I traded..I hope.

super20dan
User ID: 8158483 Nov 27th 6:42 AM
i have a new wonder alto. its every bit as good or even better than any chu i ever played .you cant go wrong with any old conn

paulwl
User ID: 9418933 Nov 27th 7:21 AM
It will be very close in sound and feel -- a worthy competitor in every way. It may even strike you better. Hope you dig it.

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 1st 5:07 AM
I think I will, the guy sent it ground mail though. I blew it and didn't specify Air. This poor old horn will have took a licking by the time it gets here.

danm
User ID: 1237224 Dec 1st 7:32 AM
Cash' your gonna love it. I have an alto and a tenor silver New Wonder Conn's and they really sing. Lots of power and deep sound. My alto almost sounds like a tenor and the tenor can almost sound like a bari at times. Much more power than my MK VI for sure. I had to do some work in the G# key to keep my finger from slipping off. I used Runyon side key extender on it and it seems to work for me. Mine are both silver 1921 models and like new condition with new pads and metal resos.Enjoy

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 1st 2:50 PM
Thanks Dan, I like the extender deal idea on the G#, great tip ..How do you like the buttonish key lever on the hi Eb, much diff than a standard type key??

danm
User ID: 9711993 Dec 2nd 3:59 PM
Cash, why they didn't make that key like the other two I will never know. I know this is hard to believe but I switch bach and forth between the Conn and the MKVI all the time and I seem to have adjusted some how. I also saw in another thread that you use reeds as they come out of the box. Unless I am playing plastic I will do anything to get all of them to play. I will drill,trim,sand,cut,or just use them as a practice reed.No waste in this house!

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 2nd 6:56 PM
Dan thats my motto too..I try not to dwell too much on reed issues, course for old dog that's second nature I suppose..Good to hear the key is not an issue either. I switched easily between my VI and last Chu...All my Tenors ( Bu400, Martin CBall, Selmer Super) are so different but I try and ignore that aspect big time, go for the tone, forget the action and play.

danm
User ID: 0449874 Dec 3rd 7:19 AM
Yes Cash, the only problem that I seem so have is the left G# key. I never know how far to stretch that little finger out. I guess it is no different than switching from flute to alto to tenor and back. Thank God I do not have to play clarinet! Anyway Cash please let us know what you think of that Wonder sax of yours. You?re going to peel paint with that horn for sure. When I played last night I was running late so I just reached into the bag and pulled a reed out and played it for 1.5 hours. I am so bad I didn't even know what brand it was until after the set. It sounded great and it was not one of the ones with the little x on it. That?s how I mark the "good" ones. Turned out to be a Jazz Rico that I never play.

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 3rd 12:57 PM
That's what I'm talkin'about Dan.. IMHO totally more about the player than the reed unless the strength is ridiculously off. The Conn should be here tomorrow.Im prayin' it's not gonna be beat up in transit..

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 6th 5:02 AM
Well boys ..Bad News. the horn was damaged badly in transit. A combination of (damage) factors forced me to return it immediately. It was the finest example I had ever seen in person. Unfortunately, I was not even able to attempt to play it.

danmcb
User ID: 8506593 Dec 6th 5:14 AM
Cash ... that sucks ... sorry.

Was it badly packed, or just trashed unbelievably by the shippers?

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 6th 6:00 AM
Dan, right now I don't want to go into details. There may be factors unknown to me at this point. I'll give a hint, Ship Air always and the faster the better. Ground shipping involves transferring and rough handling in and out of trucks many, many times across the US. This I think was one factor. The others I'm sure were inadvertant, and not really negligent whatsoever, but perhaps contributory. The seller is a dealer known here and he has handled the problem in a thoroughly professional and gracious manner.

Bill
User ID: 1626994 Dec 6th 7:46 AM
UPS did a job on a tenor that was sent to me. Looked like they dropped it from an over head conveyor as the plastic protector in the tenon receiver was smashed into a thousand pieces and of course the octave kinkage was distroyed among other things. I filed a claim and finally got a refund for the horn although it was only $200.00..

paulwl
User ID: 8437443 Dec 6th 10:03 AM
Cash & Bill: How well were the horns packed? How about inside the cases?

Any time I anticipate a sax shipment from a new seller, I send them this webbage:
http://www.cybersax.com/packsax.html

paulwl
User ID: 8437443 Dec 6th 10:04 AM
Cash, apologies. Never mind.

danm
User ID: 9099093 Dec 6th 4:05 PM
Cash, very sorry to hear about that sax. I know it would have been a monster player. I had a MK VI shipped by Saxquest in St Louis to my home in Chicago by ground and UPS destroyed the outer box. As Mark packed the thing in 3 yes 3 boxes it was in great shape inside. For those of you that want to pack a sax the right way for shipping click on this link to learn something about packing
http://www.cybersax.com/packsax.html

CashSax
User ID: 9014973 Dec 6th 7:30 PM
I think this should be required reading for all concerned..Here's another hint, make sure the case, especially if not original, doesn't bite. Paulwl, yours is an excellent suggestion.

Bill
User ID: 1626994 Dec 6th 9:37 PM
Mine was double boxed with styrene corners between the two boxes and stuffing in the horn case. Probably could have been a little better packed but still UPS is very tough on the packages. I think the safest way would be a polystyrene molding around the horn and then double boxed.

paulwl
User ID: 8437443 Dec 7th 9:19 AM
You could probably put it in TWELVE boxes and still suffer damage -- IF the horn was still moving around in the case. Just "stuffing" isn't enough. It has to be tight as a drum in there. Molding or that spray foam stuff might be the ultimate solution.

Tip on older, wood cases: Pack stuff around the neck compartment wall (that curvy piece that follows the line of the bell flare). Make sure it can't move even if the case is hit. If that wall gets jarred loose, it can push your bell back into the brace. It's happened to me twice with other shippers (both horns, oddly enough, were Buescher New Aristocrats).

Next 20 Messages

CashSax User ID: 9014973	Nov 27th 4:14 AM OK I got a pre-Chu ordered, A 1925 model Conn tenor to replace the '31 relac Chu I traded in on a new hot-rod model tenor. This old Conn Tenor has a different style G# and palm button-type Eb key. Will it sound like my old Chu ?? it's silver-plate, totally cherry original and restored (it's got the reso-pads??)..Maybe even better than what I traded..I hope.
super20dan User ID: 8158483	Nov 27th 6:42 AM i have a new wonder alto. its every bit as good or even better than any chu i ever played .you cant go wrong with any old conn
paulwl User ID: 9418933	Nov 27th 7:21 AM It will be very close in sound and feel -- a worthy competitor in every way. It may even strike you better. Hope you dig it.
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 1st 5:07 AM I think I will, the guy sent it ground mail though. I blew it and didn't specify Air. This poor old horn will have took a licking by the time it gets here.
danm User ID: 1237224	Dec 1st 7:32 AM Cash' your gonna love it. I have an alto and a tenor silver New Wonder Conn's and they really sing. Lots of power and deep sound. My alto almost sounds like a tenor and the tenor can almost sound like a bari at times. Much more power than my MK VI for sure. I had to do some work in the G# key to keep my finger from slipping off. I used Runyon side key extender on it and it seems to work for me. Mine are both silver 1921 models and like new condition with new pads and metal resos.Enjoy
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 1st 2:50 PM Thanks Dan, I like the extender deal idea on the G#, great tip ..How do you like the buttonish key lever on the hi Eb, much diff than a standard type key??
danm User ID: 9711993	Dec 2nd 3:59 PM Cash, why they didn't make that key like the other two I will never know. I know this is hard to believe but I switch bach and forth between the Conn and the MKVI all the time and I seem to have adjusted some how. I also saw in another thread that you use reeds as they come out of the box. Unless I am playing plastic I will do anything to get all of them to play. I will drill,trim,sand,cut,or just use them as a practice reed.No waste in this house!
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 2nd 6:56 PM Dan thats my motto too..I try not to dwell too much on reed issues, course for old dog that's second nature I suppose..Good to hear the key is not an issue either. I switched easily between my VI and last Chu...All my Tenors ( Bu400, Martin CBall, Selmer Super) are so different but I try and ignore that aspect big time, go for the tone, forget the action and play.
danm User ID: 0449874	Dec 3rd 7:19 AM Yes Cash, the only problem that I seem so have is the left G# key. I never know how far to stretch that little finger out. I guess it is no different than switching from flute to alto to tenor and back. Thank God I do not have to play clarinet! Anyway Cash please let us know what you think of that Wonder sax of yours. You?re going to peel paint with that horn for sure. When I played last night I was running late so I just reached into the bag and pulled a reed out and played it for 1.5 hours. I am so bad I didn't even know what brand it was until after the set. It sounded great and it was not one of the ones with the little x on it. That?s how I mark the "good" ones. Turned out to be a Jazz Rico that I never play.
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 3rd 12:57 PM That's what I'm talkin'about Dan.. IMHO totally more about the player than the reed unless the strength is ridiculously off. The Conn should be here tomorrow.Im prayin' it's not gonna be beat up in transit..
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 6th 5:02 AM Well boys ..Bad News. the horn was damaged badly in transit. A combination of (damage) factors forced me to return it immediately. It was the finest example I had ever seen in person. Unfortunately, I was not even able to attempt to play it.
danmcb User ID: 8506593	Dec 6th 5:14 AM Cash ... that sucks ... sorry. Was it badly packed, or just trashed unbelievably by the shippers?
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 6th 6:00 AM Dan, right now I don't want to go into details. There may be factors unknown to me at this point. I'll give a hint, Ship Air always and the faster the better. Ground shipping involves transferring and rough handling in and out of trucks many, many times across the US. This I think was one factor. The others I'm sure were inadvertant, and not really negligent whatsoever, but perhaps contributory. The seller is a dealer known here and he has handled the problem in a thoroughly professional and gracious manner.
Bill User ID: 1626994	Dec 6th 7:46 AM UPS did a job on a tenor that was sent to me. Looked like they dropped it from an over head conveyor as the plastic protector in the tenon receiver was smashed into a thousand pieces and of course the octave kinkage was distroyed among other things. I filed a claim and finally got a refund for the horn although it was only $200.00..
paulwl User ID: 8437443	Dec 6th 10:03 AM Cash & Bill: How well were the horns packed? How about inside the cases? Any time I anticipate a sax shipment from a new seller, I send them this webbage: http://www.cybersax.com/packsax.html
paulwl User ID: 8437443	Dec 6th 10:04 AM Cash, apologies. Never mind.
danm User ID: 9099093	Dec 6th 4:05 PM Cash, very sorry to hear about that sax. I know it would have been a monster player. I had a MK VI shipped by Saxquest in St Louis to my home in Chicago by ground and UPS destroyed the outer box. As Mark packed the thing in 3 yes 3 boxes it was in great shape inside. For those of you that want to pack a sax the right way for shipping click on this link to learn something about packing http://www.cybersax.com/packsax.html
CashSax User ID: 9014973	Dec 6th 7:30 PM I think this should be required reading for all concerned..Here's another hint, make sure the case, especially if not original, doesn't bite. Paulwl, yours is an excellent suggestion.
Bill User ID: 1626994	Dec 6th 9:37 PM Mine was double boxed with styrene corners between the two boxes and stuffing in the horn case. Probably could have been a little better packed but still UPS is very tough on the packages. I think the safest way would be a polystyrene molding around the horn and then double boxed.
paulwl User ID: 8437443	Dec 7th 9:19 AM You could probably put it in TWELVE boxes and still suffer damage -- IF the horn was still moving around in the case. Just "stuffing" isn't enough. It has to be tight as a drum in there. Molding or that spray foam stuff might be the ultimate solution. Tip on older, wood cases: Pack stuff around the neck compartment wall (that curvy piece that follows the line of the bell flare). Make sure it can't move even if the case is hit. If that wall gets jarred loose, it can push your bell back into the brace. It's happened to me twice with other shippers (both horns, oddly enough, were Buescher New Aristocrats).