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Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154
Jan 4th 6:21 AM
I have a chance to buy one of these.Its in good condition,pads and laquer(gold).Nice,large sound.Any comments on these horns? What would be a reasonable price to pay?
1ngram
User ID: 8611103
Jan 4th 6:55 AM
Sam, go to Saxgourmet site where he has a vintage sax price guide. Buffet S1 in immaculate condition with all lacquer and in original case come in at $2600. You can find the site by going to Sax on the Web main page and finding the interview with Steve Goodison there. In the interview there is a link to his site. Once there look for info on vintage saxes and you will find his price guide on all the saxes he considers of sufficient quality. Alternatively search for Saxgourmet on Google or similar. Obviously if the sax isnt immaculate you can reduce the likely price. What is the guy asking for it?
Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154
Jan 4th 7:27 AM
1950 USD.BUT you have to consider that I live in Europe and the prices of vintage horns are lower here than in USA.For example,good price for MK VI is about 2200 USD,or even as low as 1500 USD.I offered the guy 1500 USD.Lets see what happens.
Marcel
User ID: 1439244
Jan 4th 7:53 AM
Where do you live Subtone Sam ? Personaly, I live in Spain.
I have a real excellent S1 tenor (lacquered and engraved, with silverplated keys) in excellemnt condition, that has the wrong inscription "Superdynaction" on it. That's a 1975 vintage.
I paid 731 Euros for it. That was a bargain, for sure, but I think that 1950 USD and even 1500USD is too much money, even if that's a great sax (excepcional ergonomy).
stevew
User ID: 1738604
Jan 4th 8:20 AM
I think $1500 is fair, but you'd still have a nice horn for $1950; the keywork is second to none and they sound great.
Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154
Jan 4th 10:38 AM
Well Marcel,I wish I lived in Spain too,Im sure its much warmer there than here in Finland,Scandinavia! 731 Euros for S1 tenor! I have to come to Spain and buy some horns! Well,Im not going to pay more than 1681 Euros for it (1500$).The seller is still thinking about it...
1ngram
User ID: 8652763
Jan 4th 12:50 PM
I paid 650 (very approx $1000) for my late SuperDynaction with S1 features - same as Marcel's - a few months ago in Britain. Its a 1974, I think but has been well used over the years with lots and lots of scratches and rubs through the lacquer. But it plays so different to my Yamaha 62 its a treat.
stevew
User ID: 1738604
Jan 4th 12:58 PM
I hate 1ngram and Marcel. Nothing personal.....
MBushaw
User ID: 0004344
Jan 4th 1:43 PM
Yeah stevew. And how's that silver plate S1 alto?
Marcel
User ID: 1439244
Jan 4th 2:49 PM
Hi,
Really, I bought my horn in Paris (someday I was traveling, I am a French guy living in Spain) and not in Spain. Ingram, your horn can have the "Superdynaction" inscription in the body but that's probably a S1 really (mine has also this inscription but it is a S1. I talked with the European zone comercial director from 1973 to 1977 and that's him who conviced Buffet to stop making this error. He asked also to Buffet to put the high F# key in all the saxes and not as an option. Do you have it on yours ? Not on mine). It's easy to recognize : if your horn has the right and left hand holes aligned, that's a Superdynaction, if not, that's a S1. I prefer my S1 to my YTS 62 as you but I prefer my Mk6's much more ...
Subtone Sam, I had an holiday travel in Finland last year and I visited a vintage sax shop in Helsinki where I saw a fantastic Selmer model 26 alto for about $1000 if I remember well ... a real beauty that I didn't bought.
S1 alto are also excellent MBushaw. I tried one for the son of a friend who started sax two years ago : he bought a 1981 S1 silverplate excellent alto for about $680 here in Spain.
Stevew : I love you also ;o)
Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154
Jan 4th 3:21 PM
Marcel,I thought about buying that 26 alto,too! Must have been the same,I dont think those are very common here.Well,I bought a SBA alto instead (and already have traded it for MK VI tenor...)
Paul T.
User ID: 0986624
Jan 4th 10:24 PM
Subtone Sam
Have you already bought it? I have S-1 alto very nice horn with the classic sound and the excellent keywork.Somee jazz-players dont like its sound, but the price 1500 US, just do it.
stevew
User ID: 1738604
Jan 5th 2:46 AM
The alto is fine thanks since I had the leaks sorted.

I only hate those guys because of what they paid for theirs! Still one of mine was unsold new old stock and the other as new, which is not easy to find.

Paul T what mpc do you use on your alto S1? I am thinking of experimenting as I currently use a Meyer 6M NY Ltd Ed and a Jody Jazz 5 which I got for my previous horn, and I am not sure either is quite the thing for this.
Marcel
User ID: 1439244
Jan 5th 4:03 AM
Just few words about the prices of the horns here in Europe. Whe don't have to forget that also, the level of the cost of life is different between USA and a lot of European coutries, that's also explains some differences of price in all the products. Something that cost $1 here can cost $1,5 in USA because also the media of earnings is highest in USA also.
Subtone Sam, do you remember the name of this shop in Helsinki (I don't)? It has also another vintage sax at this time : Chu Berry alto (not sure), and the were selling also violins, etc ...
Marcel
User ID: 1439244
Jan 5th 4:06 AM
Oh, I just read again my text ... I practise an horrible English. Really sorry !
1ngram
User ID: 8652763
Jan 5th 4:35 AM
Marcel, what do you mean "right and left hand holes aligned"? If you mean the thumbrests then mine are not aligned. I can't think what else you can mean. My serial number is 22151 which puts it at late 1974. It has no high F#
Marcel
User ID: 1439244
Jan 5th 5:08 AM
Mine is 22808 (so just 657 saxes produced after yours).
I was speaking about the holes corresponding to the keys you use with your right hand, and the holes corresponding to the keys you use with your left hand. These holes are on the body of course (the straight tube between the neck and the bow).
If these two series of holes in this tube are on the same line, that's a SuperDynaction model, if they are not on the same line, that's a S1 model, even if there is wrote "SuperDynaction" on the back part of the body.
Paul T.
User ID: 0986624
Jan 5th 6:15 AM
Stevew
During last twenty years I have tested on my S-1 alto many mpcs. Meyer 5 and 6, Beechler 5 and 6, Selmer C* and C**,original Buffet mp and E. Rousseau JDX5 and JDX6 and the metal B.Dukoff M6. Nowadays I am playing the classic music( no jazz)with the JDX6 and the jazz music with the solid silver neck and the metal B.Dukoff on it.To these set-ups I am satisfied now.Especially the solid silver neck works for me.
Paul T.
User ID: 0986624
Jan 5th 6:16 AM
Stevew
During last twenty years I have tested on my S-1 alto many mpcs. Meyer 5 and 6, Beechler 5 and 6, Selmer C* and C**,original Buffet mp and E. Rousseau JDX5 and JDX6 and the metal B.Dukoff M6. Nowadays I am playing the classic music( no jazz)with the JDX6 and the jazz music with the solid silver neck and the metal B.Dukoff on it.To these set-ups I am satisfied now.Especially the solid silver neck works for me.
stevew
User ID: 1202654
Jan 5th 9:38 AM
What solid silver neck is that? Presumably you had someone make a little cutaway for the F# hole?
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