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BlockAM
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Jan 11th 3:26 PM
I have an old buffet Bb clarinet, 18xxx. When I bought it I thought it was an R-13, but I later learned that buffet did not introduce this line until the 50's. Anyone know what model it is or anything about it?
Dave Dolson
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Jan 11th 4:07 PM
Albert or Boehm? DAVE
BlockAM`
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Jan 11th 6:35 PM
I'm not sure, is there a mark on the horn that would tell me?
Dave Dolson
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Jan 11th 11:05 PM
Albert clarinets have a simplified fingering system with fewer rings (in most cases) and fewer finger touches. Albert clarinets often have a "wrap-around" register key (one that is pushed by the left thump but opens on the top side of the horn). The spacing for the right hand holes is much wider than the spacing on a Boehm System clarinet. The right-hand pinky finger touches on an Albert are much like those for saxophone (two touches, some with rollers).

Other than that, there would no markings differentiating Albert or Boehm system. Buffet made fine Albert System clarinets (as they do Boehms). Maybe that will help. DAVE
BlockAM
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Jan 12th 12:22 AM
It's definitely a Boehm then. The key layout is the same as any modern clarinet. After your description, I do know what an Albert system looks like, but always thought of it as just the austrian/gernan system, since the two people i know who play them are from there. Any info on the model, now that we know its a boehm?
Dave Dolson
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Jan 12th 12:00 PM
BlockAM: I'm sorry but I don't know THAT much about Buffet clarinets, other than owning a couple myself (both Boehms, but I have owned Albert Buffets before and two other brands now). A friend of mine has a beautiful Buffet Albert from 1887 (yes - 8) and he plays it regularly. My R-13 has a 74xxx serial number and it is from the 60's as I recall. Others have posted about Buffet serial numbers and where to locate them, but I neglected to write down the info.And, yes Alberts are alson known as "German System".

But at least we got through the Boehm vs. Albert part. I guess another defining bit of info would be if yours is an Eb, C, Bb, or A clarinet; and if it is marked "LP" somewhere (indicating it is pitched to the accepted International tuning standard of A400 - horns from the early part of the 20th Century were marked either LP - good, or HP - not so good). DAVE
BlockAM
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Jan 12th 2:11 PM
Dave,
It's a Bb, and although I do not know if it is marked HP or LP, I know that it is in fact a low pitch, A440. The only tuning problem I had was it was that the original barrel was exceedingly short, 52mm, so i was always sharp. I solved that problem by buying a new Chadash buffet 60mm barrel, and now its great. Thanks for your help.
-Adam