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Jim
User ID: 9872353
Apr 4th 5:26 PM
I've been offered a Buffet Crampon alto from the early 90's. It's the one that was made by Keilwerth (it's basically an SX90.

Can anyone who has played thisinstrument share your thoughts on it. I've been told that this horn outplayed a very nice MK VI alto. I don't dount this at all, since this comes from a dear friend. I'm rather curious about peoples opinions about this horn.
It has the adjustable palm keys, the flared bell..
stevew
User ID: 0380734
Apr 4th 11:47 PM
I am a bit of a Buffet officianado and whilst I know Buffet and JK are in common ownership, I never knew of a JK horn badged as a Buffet. I understand some assembly and/or manufacture of parts of Buffet S3 horns may have been done by JK, but the actual horns have nothing in common at all.

Possibly, what you have was a result of short term or abortive marketing measure, or maybe it was or is done for certain markets - obviously stanping a different name on a horn is a cinch - but I have never heard of a Buffet labelled Keilwerth. Interesting!
Mack
User ID: 9858163
Apr 5th 1:16 AM
If it is a Keilwerth it is a very good sax, if it is a Buffet Crampon it is a very good sax. You can't really go wrong on that deal.
stevew
User ID: 0380734
Apr 5th 11:12 AM
Just make sure it's not a Buffet Evette and not a (Taiwanese) JK ST model re-badged as a Buffet, these are not in the same class as a French Buffet or a German JK.
Jim
User ID: 9259363
Apr 5th 11:34 AM
This horn is defenitely not the Evette and also it'snot the Taiwanese horn. It has the letters BC on the bell brace and the Buffet Crampon Paris emblem on the front of the bell.
mostly alto guy
User ID: 9795313
Apr 5th 11:42 AM
What is it beyond your friend's words that makes you think this a JK? Not that I mistrust your friend, but what is the real evidence?
Jim
User ID: 9259363
Apr 5th 11:46 AM
My friend sent me some pictures and this horn really looks like a Keilwerth.
mostly alto guy
User ID: 9795313
Apr 5th 11:56 AM
Wow, imagine an alto that can play sweet and lightning fast like a pro Buffet, but can also rock the house and is built like a Panzer tank ala JK! Cool!
stevew
User ID: 0380734
Apr 6th 12:57 AM
It will be one thing or the other, there has been no word on any kind of Buffet/JK hybrid as they are quite different (but we love em both, eh Doug!) and parts would be totally incompatible - a stencil is most likely. Just need to be sure whether it's a ST or EX or SX type - the last two look almost the same. If it's a steal at the price then go for it.
mostly alto guy
User ID: 0860834
Apr 6th 11:37 PM
Indeed. My S1 is enroute, can hardly stand the wait. I just hope it arrives in good condition. No doubt it will be a completely different experience from my JK, but that's why I bought it after all. Both ends of the spectrum. I wonder what I can find to fit nicely in between...
stevew
User ID: 0380734
Apr 7th 1:19 AM
A solid silver Yani would do the trick. Ultra fast, keywork compact and bijou....Or maybe the new Reference alto?
mostly alto guy
User ID: 8875883
Apr 10th 1:26 AM
Sterling Yani? Jeez, if only I had unlimited funds for altos. I was hoping someone would tell be an 875 would do the trick. From what I can tell they are consistently good players, and they often sell for a really good price (because they are common?) Plus, it would be nice to have a solid playing but replacebale horn (accidents can happen) for playing in less-than-ideal conditions. An 875 isn't cheap, but it would be replaceable (more so than my current horns, since it's both available and consistent.) Thoughts anyone?
madav
User ID: 1167284
Apr 10th 2:01 AM
Jim - if it has "BC" on the bell brace against a black background, then it sounds like a SuperDynaction, but they stopped making these in the mid 70's. If it has a curved "resonator" brace then it's an S1, a flat sheet metal bell brace is pre-SDA (pre-1957). None of these models have anything to do with Keilworth tho, so better check out serial no. and manufacturing date.
Jim
User ID: 1076954
Apr 10th 6:35 AM
Modav,

The letters BC are located inside of the bell brace's ring, but there's no black background. You can see right through the letters. The bell brace is also curved.
If I'm not mistaken, I remember seeing these horns advertised in the WW & BW catalog in the early 90's or maybe late 80's. I believe that these were called Bufet Prestige.
madav
User ID: 1167284
Apr 11th 1:36 PM
seems like you have a highly desirable alto, and I'm sure there are a few people on this forum that will be more than happy to relieve you of the onorous responsibility of looking after this sax...
mostly alto guy
User ID: 8875883
Apr 12th 12:27 AM
If I didn't already have an S1, I'd love to tke it off your hands. Sounds like a real find.
Jim
User ID: 9872353
Apr 12th 7:53 AM
I will be able to finally see and feel this horn next week. It will be overhauled and then I'll be able to bring the new baby to it's home.
One thing, it currently has metal resonators. My friend tells me that it has more power than another excellent 118K MK VI. I'm looking for better color instead of more power (a good microphone can be a great friend).
We're thinking about using the best Prestini pads available with plastic resonators.
What do you guys think about this?
madav
User ID: 1167284
Apr 13th 2:42 PM
Personally (!) I don't think the resonators make much difference. I had Selmer brown plastics put in my S1, and I was surprised to see somewhere that prices quoted repadding with original Selmers was higher than for top of the range Prestini's. Maybe check out repairs area.
stevew
User ID: 8604013
Apr 14th 3:00 AM
I was going to comment as a Buffet owner but note your original post reckoned it was a Keilwerth with a Buffet name on it. The Buffets certainly had metal resos as original and sound great, I believe JK is also the same. I would be interested to know what happens if you change them, but them it sounds like it needs a repad to play at its best; you will be hearing the benefits of or a re-pad rather than just a change of resos which must be a lot more subtle I imagine.