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StevenW
User ID: 8952923 Aug 17th 8:29 PM
Suggestion for a Bari Dimensional Database:

It seems that there are always a number of bari's for sale with either the wrong neckpipe or no neckpipe with them.

There are a number of able shops that could fabricate a new neck from scratch, or alter an available replacement neck to meet a known set of specifications.

Would a database containing a systematic set of measurements and photos of known correct bari neckpipes be a useful addition to the saxophone community?

I know I would take caliper and micrometer in hand and happily measure out the neckpipes of the horns I have to help others and as a hedge agaist loss or severe damage to one of my neckpipes.

Thoughts?

regards,

StevenW

Steve Goodson
User ID: 2129174 Aug 17th 8:34 PM
Great idea. There are some substitutions that work very well. I'll give you a call and discuss it with you next week.

StevenW
User ID: 8952923 Aug 17th 8:45 PM
Would Saxgourmet be willing to add it to their library?

regards,

StevenW

Bootman
User ID: 1676554 Aug 18th 1:30 AM
I will happily measure what ever I have access to here and add them to the database.

Doc Frazier
User ID: 1370014 Aug 18th 7:46 AM
Me too!!!!

MBushaw
User ID: 0310794 Aug 18th 11:26 AM
Maybe this project would be better on a non-commercial site like Saxpics.com. I host that site for Pete, and know there is a database that could handle it. Drop Pete a line and see if he wants it.

StevenW
User ID: 8952923 Aug 18th 11:56 AM
There is a similar project already underway for Bass Saxophone dimensions at the Bass Sax Cooperative on Yahoo Groups.

Don't be fooled that all these sites are 503(c) charities - neccessity is that SOTW is meant to earn some money and that Saxpics has become the vehicle to gain research monies.

Everyone needs to earn to eat and survive. In "Howl" Ginsberg wrote of being able to survive (interesting he used the idea 'to buy') off his good looks alone...... just doesn't happen that way. The bills need to be covered.

regards,

StevenW

MBushaw
User ID: 0310794 Aug 18th 12:16 PM
StevenW, I'm not sure where you were going with your last post. There is nothing for sale on Saxpics.com. I registered the name with my money. I provide hosting free. The connection is paid for by various other sites using the same connection/equipment; Saxpics.com is a hitchiker. I don't believe Pete has received a dime for all the work he has put into the site.
The reason I suggested a site where there is nothing for sale is to prevent the obvious conflict of interest.

MBushaw
User ID: 0310794 Aug 18th 12:18 PM
And conflict of personalities

StevenW
User ID: 8952923 Aug 18th 12:33 PM

Sorry I wasn't clear - I guess I was pointing out that each of the sites has to receive enough support somehow to exist.

I think Pete was lucky enough to start getting some grant money (which means he is paid) with the goal to evetually research full time!

This is fantastic!

Each site has a personality lead and focused by its facilitators, funders and technical level of scripting.

This isn't bad.

I just fail to see much distinction between being sponsored by any group that needs to raise enough funds to survive.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs - but measured dimensions of neckpipes hardly allows for much mischief or politicing I would have though.

best regards,

StevenW

MBushaw
User ID: 0310794 Aug 18th 12:40 PM
True, not much mischief in just numbers. But we have seen in the last few weeks that not all dealers are friendly with each other, and they are the ones that come into contact with the greatest number of horns, and probably have good measuring tools. It would be nice to have as many dealers as possible participate. But it is your idea to run with.

saxpics
User ID: 0053014 Aug 18th 10:51 PM
StevenW, you're off a little: I WANT to receive grant money and I have applied for four or five grants. I haven't got anything yet -- and it seems unlikely, with the state of the US economy, that any of the music societies that I've applied to will give me anything. The government wants me to be 503(c) and I don't meet their qualifications. I need to be associated with a "charitable organization".

I've also said in my Weekly Mailing List of Vintage Horns for Sale (you haven't got one yet? Sign up, young man!) that I'd think of eventually doing a "for profit" sales list IF folks don't like my picks and want me to focus on, say, a list of every single Selmer that I could find for sale. I say that mainly in jest. Right now :)

Anyhow, Mark has asked me about this neck project -- which could be extended to include other pitches as well (F mezzo necks, perhaps).

The comment I have is:
* How is doing this going to benefit anyone?

As far as I'm aware, Gloger-Handkraft actually fabricates new-old-stock necks and they have a lot of measurements on file. If I had a database of measurements, that'd be nice, but I don't know how to fabricate necks. Would a measurement database be helpful to you repair techs?

Please post comments; I'm interested.

Take care!
Pete
saxpics@hotmail.com

StevenW User ID: 8952923	Aug 17th 8:29 PM Suggestion for a Bari Dimensional Database: It seems that there are always a number of bari's for sale with either the wrong neckpipe or no neckpipe with them. There are a number of able shops that could fabricate a new neck from scratch, or alter an available replacement neck to meet a known set of specifications. Would a database containing a systematic set of measurements and photos of known correct bari neckpipes be a useful addition to the saxophone community? I know I would take caliper and micrometer in hand and happily measure out the neckpipes of the horns I have to help others and as a hedge agaist loss or severe damage to one of my neckpipes. Thoughts? regards, StevenW
Steve Goodson User ID: 2129174	Aug 17th 8:34 PM Great idea. There are some substitutions that work very well. I'll give you a call and discuss it with you next week.
StevenW User ID: 8952923	Aug 17th 8:45 PM Would Saxgourmet be willing to add it to their library? regards, StevenW
Bootman User ID: 1676554	Aug 18th 1:30 AM I will happily measure what ever I have access to here and add them to the database.
Doc Frazier User ID: 1370014	Aug 18th 7:46 AM Me too!!!!
MBushaw User ID: 0310794	Aug 18th 11:26 AM Maybe this project would be better on a non-commercial site like Saxpics.com. I host that site for Pete, and know there is a database that could handle it. Drop Pete a line and see if he wants it.
StevenW User ID: 8952923	Aug 18th 11:56 AM There is a similar project already underway for Bass Saxophone dimensions at the Bass Sax Cooperative on Yahoo Groups. Don't be fooled that all these sites are 503(c) charities - neccessity is that SOTW is meant to earn some money and that Saxpics has become the vehicle to gain research monies. Everyone needs to earn to eat and survive. In "Howl" Ginsberg wrote of being able to survive (interesting he used the idea 'to buy') off his good looks alone...... just doesn't happen that way. The bills need to be covered. regards, StevenW
MBushaw User ID: 0310794	Aug 18th 12:16 PM StevenW, I'm not sure where you were going with your last post. There is nothing for sale on Saxpics.com. I registered the name with my money. I provide hosting free. The connection is paid for by various other sites using the same connection/equipment; Saxpics.com is a hitchiker. I don't believe Pete has received a dime for all the work he has put into the site. The reason I suggested a site where there is nothing for sale is to prevent the obvious conflict of interest.
MBushaw User ID: 0310794	Aug 18th 12:18 PM And conflict of personalities
StevenW User ID: 8952923	Aug 18th 12:33 PM Sorry I wasn't clear - I guess I was pointing out that each of the sites has to receive enough support somehow to exist. I think Pete was lucky enough to start getting some grant money (which means he is paid) with the goal to evetually research full time! This is fantastic! Each site has a personality lead and focused by its facilitators, funders and technical level of scripting. This isn't bad. I just fail to see much distinction between being sponsored by any group that needs to raise enough funds to survive. Maybe I'm splitting hairs - but measured dimensions of neckpipes hardly allows for much mischief or politicing I would have though. best regards, StevenW
MBushaw User ID: 0310794	Aug 18th 12:40 PM True, not much mischief in just numbers. But we have seen in the last few weeks that not all dealers are friendly with each other, and they are the ones that come into contact with the greatest number of horns, and probably have good measuring tools. It would be nice to have as many dealers as possible participate. But it is your idea to run with.
saxpics User ID: 0053014	Aug 18th 10:51 PM StevenW, you're off a little: I WANT to receive grant money and I have applied for four or five grants. I haven't got anything yet -- and it seems unlikely, with the state of the US economy, that any of the music societies that I've applied to will give me anything. The government wants me to be 503(c) and I don't meet their qualifications. I need to be associated with a "charitable organization". I've also said in my Weekly Mailing List of Vintage Horns for Sale (you haven't got one yet? Sign up, young man!) that I'd think of eventually doing a "for profit" sales list IF folks don't like my picks and want me to focus on, say, a list of every single Selmer that I could find for sale. I say that mainly in jest. Right now :) Anyhow, Mark has asked me about this neck project -- which could be extended to include other pitches as well (F mezzo necks, perhaps). The comment I have is: * How is doing this going to benefit anyone? As far as I'm aware, Gloger-Handkraft actually fabricates new-old-stock necks and they have a lot of measurements on file. If I had a database of measurements, that'd be nice, but I don't know how to fabricate necks. Would a measurement database be helpful to you repair techs? Please post comments; I'm interested. Take care! Pete saxpics@hotmail.com