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Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154 Oct 3rd 7:07 AM
I´m having a bit of a problem with D2 on my "new" Suberba 2 bari.D2 jumps quite easily to the fifth (A2).Also,when going from upper register (D2,E2,F2) to lower (A1,not low A,B1,G1),its a bit difficult to control the lower notes.
I´m using a Dukoff M6 with LaVoz med.hards.
I didn´t have this problem with a Link 8* but that was too dark for my taste.Is this a common problem with bari (I´m just starting with bari,played tenor for 20 yrs. but never had this problem with tenor,alto,sop.) or could it be that the opening of M6 is too closed (.105) or the reed too soft? Any comments welcome! Thanks again!

Mike R.
User ID: 0240854 Oct 3rd 8:13 AM
It's a common problem on all the saxes, but (in my experience) especially tenors and baris. And for me, it seems to be aggravated by high baffle mpcs and/or too closed a tip. Sounds like you may need to try some different setups to find one that minimizes this to the point where you can control it. My experience is consistent with yours: larger-chambered mpcs minimize the tendency. Maybe try a Runyon Custom.

Mike R.
User ID: 0240854 Oct 3rd 8:14 AM
btw, Sam, what's the url of your website with your sound clips?

Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154 Oct 3rd 9:01 AM
Thanks,Mike R.! Have to check some other pieces in the future,altough .105 opening shouldn´t be that closed,even for bari as far as I know (its like Link 6*).The url is: http://www.kolumbus.fi/timo.haanmaki/

MojoBari
User ID: 1320554 Oct 3rd 9:14 AM
Explore embouchure variations. The MP exercise is a starting point, but you may need to try even looser chops as an exercise. Perhaps try a soft reed and take in more MP. Really wallow in the low notes and D2. Make them big, full and boomy. This "AHHH" to open your throat. Try making the D2 crack to A2 and then go back to D2 like an overtone exercise. Perhaps you'll discover what not to do by learning how to do it well. Your set up does not sound too bad. After trying some of this stuff, you may be able to go back to it and play it better.

Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154 Oct 3rd 9:31 AM
Thanks,Mojobari! Yep,I´m new to bari,still practising the basics with this horn.I think this setup will do for now.

Mike R.
User ID: 8639383 Oct 3rd 9:48 AM
Thanks for the link Sam. Listen to Mojo...

Subtone Sam
User ID: 1432154 Oct 3rd 2:04 PM
Well,I did the sealing test with the Dukoff and the thing really leaks;tried a whole box of reeds on it and its a miracle this mpc even produces a sound (and actually quite nice sound).The "facing" goes halfway through the table;table&rails VERY uneven.I don´t know about bari pieces but I would never use such piece on tenor.Dukoff goes back to the shop,thats for sure.

Subtone Sam User ID: 1432154	Oct 3rd 7:07 AM I´m having a bit of a problem with D2 on my "new" Suberba 2 bari.D2 jumps quite easily to the fifth (A2).Also,when going from upper register (D2,E2,F2) to lower (A1,not low A,B1,G1),its a bit difficult to control the lower notes. I´m using a Dukoff M6 with LaVoz med.hards. I didn´t have this problem with a Link 8* but that was too dark for my taste.Is this a common problem with bari (I´m just starting with bari,played tenor for 20 yrs. but never had this problem with tenor,alto,sop.) or could it be that the opening of M6 is too closed (.105) or the reed too soft? Any comments welcome! Thanks again!
Mike R. User ID: 0240854	Oct 3rd 8:13 AM It's a common problem on all the saxes, but (in my experience) especially tenors and baris. And for me, it seems to be aggravated by high baffle mpcs and/or too closed a tip. Sounds like you may need to try some different setups to find one that minimizes this to the point where you can control it. My experience is consistent with yours: larger-chambered mpcs minimize the tendency. Maybe try a Runyon Custom.
Mike R. User ID: 0240854	Oct 3rd 8:14 AM btw, Sam, what's the url of your website with your sound clips?
Subtone Sam User ID: 1432154	Oct 3rd 9:01 AM Thanks,Mike R.! Have to check some other pieces in the future,altough .105 opening shouldn´t be that closed,even for bari as far as I know (its like Link 6*).The url is: http://www.kolumbus.fi/timo.haanmaki/
MojoBari User ID: 1320554	Oct 3rd 9:14 AM Explore embouchure variations. The MP exercise is a starting point, but you may need to try even looser chops as an exercise. Perhaps try a soft reed and take in more MP. Really wallow in the low notes and D2. Make them big, full and boomy. This "AHHH" to open your throat. Try making the D2 crack to A2 and then go back to D2 like an overtone exercise. Perhaps you'll discover what not to do by learning how to do it well. Your set up does not sound too bad. After trying some of this stuff, you may be able to go back to it and play it better.
Subtone Sam User ID: 1432154	Oct 3rd 9:31 AM Thanks,Mojobari! Yep,I´m new to bari,still practising the basics with this horn.I think this setup will do for now.
Mike R. User ID: 8639383	Oct 3rd 9:48 AM Thanks for the link Sam. Listen to Mojo...
Subtone Sam User ID: 1432154	Oct 3rd 2:04 PM Well,I did the sealing test with the Dukoff and the thing really leaks;tried a whole box of reeds on it and its a miracle this mpc even produces a sound (and actually quite nice sound).The "facing" goes halfway through the table;table&rails VERY uneven.I don´t know about bari pieces but I would never use such piece on tenor.Dukoff goes back to the shop,thats for sure.