Sax on the Web Forum Archive / Baritone Saxophone / Vito VSP?

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MPL
User ID: 0164614
Sep 18th 9:47 AM
AKA Vito 7190. Thumbs up or thumbs down?
George Briscoe
User ID: 9161143
Sep 18th 4:50 PM
I normally put my thumb sideways under the hook... ;^)>
super20dan
User ID: 0255034
Sep 18th 5:06 PM
2 thumbs way up!!! this is made by yanagasawa
George Briscoe
User ID: 8151383
Sep 18th 5:11 PM
Seriously, though, the only real way for you to decide that is for you to play one, which may be a problem depending on where you live. There are some dealers (such as the Woodwind & Brasswind) who will sell a horn on a trial basis (usually a week to ten days). As long as you don't damage it, you can return it if you don't like it and you've only paid for the shipping costs. Personally, I'd rather spend the money on a good condition vintage sax that has some character to the tone and will retain its value better. Just remember: the "Best Horn" and the "Best Mouthpiece" can be different for everyone. So many choices...

Good Luck!
Anji
User ID: 1132714
Sep 18th 6:19 PM
Dollar value attached to said VSP?

Condition?

You could buy a Mk VI bari for $2000 that will need an additional $2000 work to play poorly...
MPL
User ID: 0032624
Sep 18th 6:32 PM
Thanks to all. I'm just collecting info for future reference. Test drove a brand new VSP at the local music chain store...much cheaper elsewhere...liked it a LOT more than the Yamaha 52 right next to it.

Store price: $3600. Yikes!
Andres
User ID: 8172663
Sep 19th 9:29 AM
So can anyone verify that the VSP's are still made by Yani? I'm guessing that in this case, it's essentially a B-901?

I know that back in the late 80's/early 90's I came across several VSP altos that were rebadged Yani 880's....
MusicMan
User ID: 0108854
Sep 19th 9:37 AM
Anji...where's that Mk. VI bari? I'll buy it!

Doesn't Leblanc own Yani and Vito? Or something along that line? I'm almost certain that Yani makes the modern Vito line. Also, look for the funky "Y" logo somewhere on the horn as well as country of origin; Japan.

Andres
User ID: 8172663
Sep 19th 9:38 AM
One more thing, if it is a Yani, then the $3600 tag seems to be several grand less than what you can get a B-901 for. Good deal.
MPL
User ID: 9328513
Sep 19th 10:03 AM
Not really. The last quote I got on a Yani 901 from USA Horn was US$3200. WW&BW sells the 901 for a little more than US$3600, and Sax Alley says the same thing.

WW&BW quotes the VSP at US$3000. So if the local guys can cut a better deal...it could be a bargain.
Jerry K.
User ID: 9809413
Sep 19th 10:29 AM
I agree with MPL. I just got the quote below last night from USA Horn and the 901 goes for $3260. Andres, perhaps you're thinking of the 991 or 992?

Yanagisawa
===========
|901 - Lacquer
>-------$3,260.00
|901 - Silver
>-------$3,770.00
|902
>-------$4,290.00
|991
>-------$4,485.00
|992
>-------$5,755.00
|9930 - Sterling Body/Neck
>-------$6,385.00
Andres
User ID: 8172663
Sep 19th 10:34 AM
Oops. I was.

I stand corrected. I guess the days of the cheap Yanis are gone, eh?
Jerry K.
User ID: 9809413
Sep 19th 10:46 AM
It begs the question - Is there such a thing as a "relatively cheap" Bari that is any good? Are any of the Taiwanese Baris any good? Prestini has a couple but I'm hard pressed to spend $2100 (dealer cost with a 12 instrument order) to see if it plays well. I'm pretty sure they don't sell many because the price is too high, and the price is probably too high because they don't sell many. Catch 22!
MPL
User ID: 9328513
Sep 19th 12:32 PM
Cashsax has spoken well of his Buescher BU6 baritone, which he believes is a Series II clone from Taiwan. He's quite impressed with the overall quality, but bought it nearly new on Ebay for about half the retail price.

WW&BW's price: $2300. Could be a sleeper horn. There's also been someone else who's had nothing but trouble with his BU6...says it's easily knocked out of adjustment.

For me the VSP is a known quantity since I've tried one locally. It's too expensive to have baritones shipped to me for a test drive...already spent US$300 doing just that. Otherwise the BU6 would be worth a look.

GeorgeB above has suggested a vintage horn instead. I've already got one but I haven't been able to find a good mechanic yet.
BrianA
User ID: 9725373
Sep 20th 1:27 AM
Being a bari player almost exclusively and having had the experience of working for a time with a very well known dealership,aside from touring for many years with various bands, doing decades of shows and horn sections on bari sax I have had many trials with various bari saxes and I can tell you that although brands like Unison and Cannonball are now making very good alto and tenor saxes for many dollars less then the "standard" brands, I have yet to find one that makes a satisfactory bari sax (at least until somebody like Steve Goodson gets his designs & changes into the pipeline) and as much as I hate to disagree with some of you, I have tried such bari saxes as the BU6 and others that I will not mention and when played side by side and in actual playing venues, shows, bands etc and not just in practice at home or school, they are not up to the top pro horns at all. However given this and if it is not essential that you have "That sound" and the facility, timbre, resonance and other qualities found in the top pro horns, well if your main criterea is to save money then by all means buy one of the lower end models. Sorry to step on toes but I feel that this has to be said.


MPL
User ID: 0032624
Sep 20th 10:21 AM
BrianA, thanks for trying to make those of us without $5K to spend feel bad about our choices.

The fact of the matter is, not everyone can afford the enormous amount of money that it takes to get a "top pro horn," especially a baritone. If I were a pro player, and my livelihood depended on the equipment, then this is a no-brainer - I'm in the market for the Series II regardless of its price. But I don't depend on the horn to put food on the table, I can't afford to spend $5500 on an instrument, and I'm not likely to be able to anytime soon. Of course, given the choice and unlimited finances, I'd love to have a Series II, or an SX90R in black lacquer, or that really cool Yani 992 in bronze.

I'm offended by the suggestion that the main criteria in researching the less expensive instrument is "to save money." For those of us without $5000 to spend, the main criteria is not "to save money" but to get the best possible value for our limited resources. Of course we understand there will be tradeoffs in design, materials, and construction. Please don't insult me by reminding me of this inescapable fact.

If I had $5000 to spend but chose to buy something other than a "top pro horn," that would be a different issue. Now if I win the lottery tomorrow, my needs would be simple. Series II in gold lacquer, nothing fancy. Of course, I'd have to fly to France to pick one out...
David Spiegelthal
User ID: 1160984
Sep 20th 2:06 PM
Brian A and MPL --- I can appreciate both of your points of view. Personally I've never claimed that my Buescher BU-6 bari is the equal of a top pro horn -- it isn't, especially from the standpoint of quality of materials, reliability and longevity. But the fact is, when it's properly regulated it DOES play maybe 90% as well as the top horns for about 40% of the price, and that's good enough for a part-timer/semi-pro doubling player such as myself (who also has to own and maintain the other three primary sizes of sax, plus every size clarinet from the little eefer down to the EEb contra-alto, plus flute). If I had a "pro" model of every axe I play, I'd be deeper in debt than a young medical doctor (except with no chance of ever repaying that debt!!!).
Jerry K.
User ID: 9809413
Sep 20th 3:05 PM
Looks like it's time to start a thread on best inexpensive Baris in the "Inexpensive Saxes" section. I don't know that there is such a beast but worth the inquiry.
MPL
User ID: 9328513
Sep 20th 3:50 PM
Oh, I certainly think there's a "best" one. We need to define "best" as value for the price, and not as "exactly the same as a Selmer Series II." Of course value means diifferent things to everyone.
Bootman
User ID: 7601343
Sep 20th 4:34 PM
David,
Welcome to the GAS club. If you playing Pro you need the decent horn, the lesser brands just don't cut it as Brian A suggests. I use a Conn Bari from the 30's out of choice, the lack of a Low A is more than made up for by the fact that the horn is louder, has more pressence in all ranges.

In fact I have been through 4 Baritone saxes this year alone, a bloody expensive exercise and I have now found one again that I can live with. I still feel the need to get a Low A for certain gigs too and have narrowed the choice down to a Martin Magna Low A or a Keilwerth. The Yamahas, Selmers and Yanis just don't so it for me tonally. Having a killer Conn makes life hard when finding another horn to use as back up.
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